u/Optimal_Prune_953

▲ 103 r/seduction

Why is it that most guys naturally learn and figure out the whole dating/seduction thing, how to attract and talk to women correctly without ever having gotten help from a dating coach or pick up artist, or is it False? Did most guys have some help along the way?

I know me and lots of guys wonder, why is it that most guys or some guys just naturally figured out and learned the whole dating seduction thing without ever having seeked help from a dating coach or pick up artist?

If not that, did most guys have help or mentoring along the way?

Are very few men in the world naturally born with the skills of knowing how to successfully talk to and attract, seduce women? And those men who are those described naturally, did they have help along the way?

I read this statement somewhere,

"I wouldn’t have made it without a mentor. Those men you talk about who supposedly never had mentors: they DID have “accidental” mentors - such as their fathers, big brothers, uncles etc.

You continue to suffer because you’re being stubborn. You refuse to ask for help and insist on trying to figure it out on your own.

Every man needs a mentor. I don’t make the rules, I just follow them.

My suggestion to you: eat a slice of humble pie, put your ego aside - and reach out to a mentor for help. If you were going to figure this women thing out on your own, you would have by now."

Yeah valid points but yeah it makes me and many guys feel embarassed and ashamed to seek help from a dating coach or pick up artist or those seduction gurus, even though people will always say that all of the profesionals or top performers in all áreas have coaches and mentors.

A quote i read somewhere:

"The reality is, people that are successful had coaches, mentors and role models along the way. Nobody did it on their own. People that think “I can do it on my own” will never make it. It's a limiting belief – a story they tell themselves again and again, that is preventing them from having success."

That makes sense in other áreas, but in dating/seduction, plenty of guys have always seem to done fine without reaching out for help or mentors, so why should me and other guys be different?

Or did most guys have help and mentoring?

I even read this statement somewhere and i feel it would bring up a deep discussion and it makes me wonder if the world used to be a lot different in which guys, men, were better educated and taught in regards the whole dating/seduction thing or people were less at risk at being forever single.

"Do you think centuries ago, thousands of years ago, generations ago, guys, men, needed a dating coach or pick up artist, for help or to be taught on how to interact and speak, meet and attract women? Oh Hell No, this need for assistance and help has only emerged very recently in modern times"

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