u/BowlerEmergency4829

I posted about this subreddit yesterday, but I took it down because I didn’t want my language to sound extremist, or any embellishment. 

I found this account, Life_After_7oh: https://www.reddit.com/r/Life_After_7oh/ after seeing a post that highlighted the moderator’s withdrawal videos. It’s footage of him in this hospital, him breaking down in his car, sharing about how his fiancé kicked him out of the house etc. It didn’t sit right with me, so I looked through his subreddit. 

He quit I think 2 or 3 weeks ago, and started the sub under the guise of a recovery support group. And it has now over 300+ members. The comments are over the top, all of them say “I love you” to each other. It’s all strangers who have just met over the past couple weeks. And it’s very Christian based too, a lot of talk about the power of god, which was another red flag for me.

So I’ve been watching this account for a couple days and I saw this post from the mod that alarmed me: https://www.reddit.com/r/Life_After_7oh/comments/1tgoz35/this_may_be_my_last_post/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button 

He is telling the group that he lost his apartment and is living in a hotel with his fiancé and her mom. And now they are about to kick him out and he’ll be homeless. If he was just looking for sympathy, that would be one thing. But he made an amazon wishlist of all the “homeless” items he’ll need. And is mostly, in the comment thread, pretty much begging this group he created to buy him a cellphone. This is his comment with the link to his wishlist: https://www.reddit.com/r/Life_After_7oh/comments/1tgoz35/comment/omjpkqc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Also the next day he posted all his info for donations, paypal, cashapp, etc: https://www.reddit.com/r/Life_After_7oh/comments/1th23fz/help_would_be_very_appreciated_but_most/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

It just seems like he’s obviously fleecing them. I lived in New York City for 20 years and It reminds me of a common scam, where addicts, while panhandling, will ask you to buy a few cans of baby formula for them. And the trick there is, because canned baby formula has a long shelf life, it’s very easy to return. So you buy it for them, out of empathy so they can “feed their baby” and then they return the item for cash. 

I have a ton of empathy for those types of people, and regularly give money to people who are obviously addicts, I sympathize with them and am not passing judgement on their lifestyles or anything. I just in general have a lot of sympathy for the homeless communities in the states. 

But this Life_After_Oh guy is really rubbing me the wrong way and seems to be using the sympathies of people who are addicted to 7, to get actual real world items in return from them. Unless the entire sub is fake, like it only exists for there to be more proof that 7 needs to be banned.

Anyway, since it’s a new sub, and there’s been a lot of talk here about the disingenuousness of the “7/kratom/etc quitting community” I wanted to point this guy out. 

Have you guys looked around at the other subreddits about kratom in general, 7, mgm etc? Or the quitting subreddits? People are losing their goddamn minds. This sub is one of the few that’s close to my actual experience using kratom and 7 for years and years, where it’s normal people sharing info and reviews on the substances. I’ve been using kratom one way or another forever and just started looking around on reddit for some info lately and I had no idea how crazy it is, the way people talk about it.

I know in general, in more traditional media like on the news, there’s the actual purposeful misinformation spreading around, I think by people lobbying for the government, or maybe it’s pharma companies trying to shut down kratom bc it’s pulling users away from their pain management base. The news stories about a big drug busts and then it cuts to what the cops found on the guy and it’s a 100 grams of kratom leaf. It seems like there’s a campaign to lie to the public to scare people away and ban it. So that i knew about, the way the general public is hearing horror stories about it. Misinformed people who are non users.

But then on reddit there’s a whole faction that claims kratom is pretty much crack or fentynal. Like a support group of people who have “lost their lives” from using 7 or drinking Feel Free or whatever. And they’re extremely militant about it. I was shocked to see this. Posting extremely dramatic videos of themselves going through withdrawals and there’s 100 comments calling it “pure evil” or “the devil”. It feels very evangelical, it’s a tone i remember hearing as a kid, the way church groups talked about pot or cigs. Completely blowing it out of proportion. Extreme black and white thinking and they’re all embellishing, “I lost my house, my wife, my kids” or “at the gas station they’re giving away samples of 7oh to children” stuff that’s just obviously not true.

I know it’s very addictive and there are real withdrawals. And it’s hard to quit because of the availability. But for instance yesterday I saw a post a kid made, who still lived with his parents, I’m assuming he’s in his early 20s. He said he had been taking 7 for a few weeks and wants to quit but he doesn’t want his parents to see him going through withdrawals. And because of the advice he’s found in these forums, he got a script for suboxone from web md to get off and was asking how to take it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the benefit of suboxone is to [edit] prevent someone who is at risk of dying of an overdose, if you’re using a drug you can over dose on, and use suboxone in place of those drugs. I’ve known a ton of ex h addicts who used it when they were utterly at the end of their rope with h or oxy. and it saved their lives. but from my understanding it’s still a much much more dangerous substance than any kratom product. I feel like since there’s a ceiling to the effects of 7 and you can not od, then that would function the same way as the suboxone. and people are encouraging this kid to use it, as if it’s safer than 7. It is literally insane. i’ve only taken suboxone a couple times when an ex gave me one of hers just to show me how it felt, and i wasn’t using any opiates at the time, and those effects at the time at least felt much more severe that any kratom product.

Then there’s another tier, where it’ll just be the stupidest sounding comments you’ve ever heard. “i took 300 mg of 7 did i od?” or “today i took my first 89 mg dose at 6 am, then another 65 mg dose are 8 am, at 10 I drank some extract, and by noon I had a headache — do you think my headache is from the 7?” it’s like yah I think piling a bunch of random shit into your system first thing in the morning gave you that headache….

every day i read something in these threads where my jaw is on the floor. I’ve quit kratom and 7 in the past very easily, it wasnt like fun, but it wasn’t like being strung out heroin and oxy. or years of straight alcohol benders etc. I use 7 every day and I feel totally healthy. i dunno rant over. ✌️✌️

I hope not. But, its very possible.

So ill do my best to keep this as short as possible.

This is very very humiliating for me guys.

Ill just say it. A lot of you already know anyway.

My living situation is not ideal to say the least.

Ive been living in a small motel room with my ex fiancé and her mother.

She left me over my 7oh use about 3 months ago.

Her mom hates me of course. Basically my ex resents and despises me but maybe possibly still loves me? She doesn't know, I dont know.

Probably not.

But, I have until may 31st. This May. As in 13 days from now.

I have that long to figure out a few items that I absolutely have to have if im going to survive.

What really sucks is that I have to give this phone back as well. I let them talk me into a family plan to save money and now im going to be without a phone in the woods.

If I dont somehow miraculously get a cellphone I wont be able to get myself out of this situation.

Ill need jobs to be able to call me for interviews. I need to talk to my babies.i need to be able to set my appts. I have serious health problems i dont talk about a lot. I need to be able to call for those appts as well. But, i just found out about 3 days ago that im going permanently blind and also on top of that I have cataracts in my bad eye.(same eye as retinal detachment and emergency surgery)

So, im having heart attacks and my heart issues have gotten so much more serious as of lately. (About the last 9 to 12 months)

So, heart issues, going blind + cataracts, possible liver and kidney harm/injury, etc,.

I wont even be able to call 911 if I feel like im having a heart attack. I wont be able to call my babies and say I love them and goodbye if I feel like im dying.

Im asking if anyone can find it in their heart to order any of these things. Any or all or some.

Any help I get would be sooooo appreciated.

Im about to lose it all bc of the consequences of my 7 addiction.

Im 27 days sober today. But, consequences can linger for much much longer. Months to years to decades to even sometimes centuries and millenias.

My consequences are unfortunately still alive and kicking.

I may even have to do something I really dont wanna die and thats relinquish control of this sub, (my baby) over to another person. Give it away.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

But, ill need a phone.

Ok so here's the list

If you wanna help hell yeah, you're a freaking rockstar!!!

And if you dont wanna help then that's also cool! Just please dont be mean, cruel, ugly or disrespectful.

Ive had a lot of that lately.

Here's the list.

Love yall.

Plz pray for me please.

This is my cell.

Text me only please.

936-229-6588

If you need my shipping info please message me on here or text my cell.

You'll reach me way way faster by text.

1.Duct tape

2.64 Oz metal canteen

3.working cellphone

4.paracord or any cordage (spool of multiple feet)

5.air pump for bicycle tires

6.canned food or goods & can opener

7.rechargeable lights, lanterns or lamps

8.heavy duty large black trash bags

9.cords for charging/cubes for charging

10.blankets and pillows

11.water filter

12.protien bars and protein drinks

13.safety lights for bicycle

14. Power bank (preferably large)

15.wipes baby wipes, dude wipes, etc

16.flashlight or flashlights

just wanted to share, got the two day shipping and it came the next day. 12.5 mg tabs, i was getting random gas station ones previously, its like night and day better.

the guy seems nice. just posting for anyone else who’s wondering about them. i ordered the lemon 15 mg ones today. good price, if you need something fast, my experience is it took a day to get it on my doorstep. i live in la

ordered from raw too and looks like the shipping is going to take a week or so.

that is all. god bless.