u/Sad_PleasureGirl

I also just wanted to tell a little story with my boyfriend. I’m Turkish and he isn’t (he’s German) so I want him to learn Turkish but he always seemed not motivated so far… So now I make him lie down, ask him vocabulary, grammatical rules or sentences or also some historical questions and if he answers right, I’ll edge him, but if he answers wrong I slap his balls and cock each once. We do this for one hour and eventually, if I’m satisfied with his performance, I’ll ruin his orgasm. If I’m not satisfied I’ll slap his balls hard for every wrong answer again and leave him hanging and denied. And after the first two weeks of doing that, it seems to be working. I often see him studying and I help him and kiss him for that. Tomorrow is going to be the next test hihi 🤭

I can’t share a link and you can’t read the things when I screenshot the wheel so I‘m just going to list all possibilities and their probability. (Did it on Wheel of Names):
4.3 % each:
NOTHING! Just watch me masturbate
You worship my body and NO TOUCH
RUINED orgasm and cum feeding
Painfully slow handjob NO ORGASM JUST EDGING
Rubbing your tip against my nipples but NO ORGASM JUST EDGING & precum feeding from my tits
RUINED footjob & cum feeding from my feet
Tight cockring, I slap your cock and balls hard until I’m satisfied
I ride a dildo, you watch with NO TOUCH and suck it clean afterwards
I RUIN YOUR ORGASM into my mouth and feed it to you
FUCK my lubed up feet and NEVER CUM JUST EDGE; clean up all precum afterwards
RUINED SLOW PUSSJOB & EAT YOUR CUM
Butt plug + JUST EDGING the tip of your cock with my tongue
Hump my leg and RUIN your orgasm
Massage my feet for 1 hour and roll again lol
RUIN YOURSELF into a condom as many times as needed to break it; if you fail to break it EAT IT ALL AND SUCK IT DRY
FUCK MY TIGHT PUSSY (with a strap-on lol) NO TOUCH
Be tied up in bed for 6 hours and be constantly EDGED AND DENIED
RUIN into a glass and DRINK IT like a good boy
Stroke yourself and EDGE 50 TIMES while I SLAP YOUR BALLS HARD; I decide if DENIED or RUINED
I’ll grab your balls just as tightly as you want me to stroke your cock and CRUSH your balls with my grip; Good luck!
Watch WORLD CUP game. GOAL=50 edges, DISALLOWED GOAL=200 edges, YELLOW CARD=25 edges, RED CARD=250 edges, ONE RUIN per game
DEAF, BLIND & TIED UP: I do whatever I want to you
SLOW TITJOB & NO ORGASM
3.6%:
SPECIAL ORGASM! (if you spin that the text says “Opps, it’s just a ruined orgasm)
0.7%:
FULL ORGASM!!

He also rolls a dice three times that eventually decides how many edges he has to do AT LEAST if he has to edge and the number is not implemented in the task. It’s 1st roll x 2nd roll x 3rd roll lol
Let me know if it is torturous enough 😈

(Btw we already do the WORLD CUP thing if we can watch the matches, and I love his frustration when a goal is disallowed ahah)

I’m creating a wheel I’ll use on my boyfriend with things I’m gonna do to him and with a less than 1% chance that he’ll get a full orgasm. I’ll spin every evening and whatever I spin, I’ll do that to him. Please give me evil ideas according to my kinks.
My kinks are: ruined orgasms, edging, denial, CBT, cum feeding, cuckolding, spit feeding, being worshipped, prostate massage, torturous teasing.
Those are all kinks I want to do to him btw. I loooove torturing him.

Btw you can also tell me what to do, i mean like handjob, blowjob, footjob, titjob, pussyjob etc.

I’m creating a wheel I’ll use on my boyfriend with things I’m gonna do to him and with a less than 1% chance that he’ll get a full orgasm. I’ll spin every evening and whatever I spin, I’ll do that to him. Please give me evil ideas according to my kinks.
My kinks are: ruined orgasms, edging, denial, CBT, cum feeding, cuckolding, spit feeding, being worshipped, prostate massage, torturous teasing.
Those are all kinks I want to do to him btw. I loooove torturing him.

Btw you can also tell me what to do, i mean like handjob, blowjob, footjob, titjob, pussyjob etc.

First of all, pls only text via comments. Don’t want any private messages. Thank you 😘

So here’s the story you‘ve been waiting for! We sat my boyfriend in a chair and I told him if he’s gonna try to touch himself while I have my fun that I‘m gonna be really pissed at him then. I know that sounds weak at first, but there’s nothing worse for him than the thought that I am angry at him. Me, my friend and her BF all got into that cozy bed and her BF started to touch me in all the places. He hugged me while we all kneeled in the bed and grabbed my ass. He told my boyfriend what he’s gonna do to me and how good I smell and after we kissed deeply, told him how good I taste. My friend got jealous and tried to impress him by taking her clothes off but when I realised that he got distracted by her body, I told him that he should take my clothes off himself and got his attention back immediately! He took my shirt and bra off and immediately sucked my tits. But he just couldn’t hold back to push me back and aggressively pull my pants and panties down in one go. He threw them to my boyfriend and I told my BF to smell my panties.

Her BF aggressively spread my legs and started to DEVOUR my pussy. I pulled my friend by her hair to me and told her to edge my boyfriend, because I kinda felt bad for basically owning her boyfriend. She got up and edged him with her hand soo fucking quick. She gave his balls a nice slap afterwards and said he should be ashamed to be on the edge so quickly. She took my panties a tied them around his shaft tightly. Then she took her panties and stuffed them into his mouth. She edged my boy again. Meanwhile, I was watching while being taken care of by her BF. Before I could cum, I told him to stop and give me his cock. He crawled with his hard hanging cock to my face and asked me if I could please suck it. So I wrapped my lips around his fat cock and started sucking, letting him push my mouth into his cock and his cock into my mouth. I took his balls, squeezed them and pulled them down. My friend returned to us and she took off my socks. She gave one to her BF to smell and the other to my BF (reminder: my BF has a foot fetish and is crazily obsessed with mine).

Her BF had to stop and edged when pulling out of my mouth. It took maybe 2 minutes. I licked off his precum and he begged for making him cum. Now, I lied on my stomach and he was still kneeling but with his legs spread and me between his legs. His cock was perfectly presented to me and I could use it as I wanted. I deepthroated him and he moaned out sooo loud and pushed my head into his cock so fucking hard that I slapped his legs violently to stop him and when he let go gave his balls several hard slaps! He told me he was just about to cum. My friend btw edged my BF constantly haha. I then started sucking his cock gently and within seconds he screamed that he was going to cum. I didn’t stop. And it happened. I sucked his cock to a full orgasm! He came soo much in my mouth. And in the same moment? My BF got ruined! He failed the edge right when the guy came into my mouth. I spitted his cum into a glass and luckily my friend collected my BFs ruined load in a cup so she could pour it in too. The glass was filled with about a finger thick of cum.

I continued sucking him, he was sensitive and whining for about 5 minutes before he got all hard and hot again and came AGAIN in my mouth two minutes later. It was maybe half the load before but still a good load to feed it to someone. My BF stayed untouched after his ruin and then we took a little break of 10 minutes, all three making out together. Then the two of them pushed me back and started to suck on one foot of mine each. My BF… he was shaking seeing this. Both told him how good my feet taste especially today and that it is such a shame he won’t taste it. In the next moment, her BF shoved his cock into my tight pussy. It took a bit of effort to put it in but he finally made it and moaned out as loud and pleasureable as possible. He praised me, I praised him and my friend held the glass ready. As he started to tell my BF how incredibly good this pussy feels, he pulled out to cum fully for the third time now. Not into the glass but over my belly and tits. My BF finally was allowed to come over but only to clean up my body, keep all this cum in his mouth and then, with my and my friend’s hands on the glass, drink all that salty cum. He actually struggled to put and keep it all inside without swallowing. But he made it. Her BF just laughed and asked him how good his cum tastes.

Thanks for reading! Sorry for the delay! Let me know your thoughts

I‘ve been edging my poor, needy boyfriend for 3 hours already and he’s loosing his mind 🥴😵‍💫 This evening (in about 10 hours) I will take him with me to my friend and we‘ll make him sit in a chair and make him watch me and my friend edging HER BOYFRIEND. I will ride her BF‘s fat cock which will frustrate my baby’s edged cock because he is not allowed to feel my tight, warm and wet pussy for the next weeks. We will eventually make her boyfriend cum while my boyfriend will stay edged anddenied for the next days 🥹
Should I edge my boyfriend for the remaining 10 hours? Make him cry and whimper with my soft hand wrapped around his needy cock? My soft hand as his only source of hope for release. And tell me: How would you fuck and use me while my boyfriend just sits there, edged and denied? How would we bully him? 😘🥰 Tell me in the comments (not in DMs)

So my friend and I (both 20) both have boyfriends and I love to ruin my BF‘s orgasms, especially after a lot of agonising edging. (and feed it to him too 🤭) I just love to drive men nuts with my hands, my mouth, my tits, pussy etc. (and my feet for my BF) and love to see the eventual frustration when they shoot their cum out helplessly into the air. Also I love that guys get even hornier for me after a ruin. That’s how I made my BF so obedient.

But she never tried it out on her BF. So I told her about how I ruin my BF and she asked me how it works and then I had the idea of maybe doing it myself with her. She agreed. He’s rather dominant and hates edging and I knew he would hate a ruin, so I told her what to do. And that’s what we did:

After some begging and pleasing him, she managed to tie him up, promising to ride his cock and make him cum inside her. But instead, she tied him up, called me while I just hid in her closet 🤭 I came out, fully naked. He INSTANTLY without any hesitation or shame looked right at my tight pussy. My friend saw that and just slapped his balls for that. He hated that… but couldn’t do anything!! He couldn’t move his eyes away from my naked body until I sat on his right leg, while she sat on his left one. He just lied there, looking at my tits, down to my pussy. And then we told him what’s gonna happen: „We’re going to edge you for as long as we want. You‘ll have to tell us when you’re close everytime. If you don’t, we’ll ruin your orgasm. If you make it til the end, you can cum in her (my) pussy!“ (With a condom on btw) We didn’t actually mean it, of course he wouldn’t cum inside my pussy. But we needed something to make him play with us. He agreed… But what he didn’t know…

…is that we planned to edge him for 6 hours!!! Yeah, 6 full hours. The fact that he just said yes to this offer, only because he wants to cum in MY pussy, not in hers, already was a reason to punish him, therefore ruin his orgasm. We had a build-up. We started just teasing him with slow licks along his shaft, from base to tip, taking turns. I put my naked feet up in the air and he looked at those soles constantly. I asked if he likes them and he nervously nodded hahah. By friend looked at him like: „WTF??“

He hated the teasing. We loved it! His 7 inch cock was throbbing so hard from every lick. After about 15 mins of that my friend started slowly stroking him for about 20 mins. I massaged his balls in the meantime with an occasional slap. Then he edged for the first time. His voice when he moaned, pure frustration 🥰 Then I gently wrapped my lips around the tip of his cock while my friend only stroke his shaft. He wanted me to suck so bad, but I didn’t. I just left him in my mouth, not doing anything. Then she stopped stroking after 10 mins and I gave him a „gentle“ introduction: I shoved his cock completely down my throat, deepthroating him for about 5 secs before pulling out. His moan was SO LOUD. When I pulled out, he said he’s damn close. He said it was heaven. So, I never did it again this evening. He begged for it the whole session. „Please, once more. Please!“ Well, unlucky him, i guess.

After that, the build-up was simple: We started sucking his cock, taking turns after every edge, taking a 60 secs break in-between. What was very interesting: He reached the edge A LOT faster when I sucked his cock. I took me always about 20 secs and even less with more edges. She sometimes needed even a full minute lol. He said he liked to be longer inside his GF‘s mouth that’s why he holds it longer. But her and I both knew, my mouth just felt better… After about two hours, he leaked a little (from my blowjob btw). I guess it already was his first ruin, but just one drop. I licked it up and savoured it. He said that we should never do that again, he hates ruins!!! I just smiled at her because we knew what was going to happen.

I need to keep this short so I‘ll quickly summarise the remaining 4 hours: We then switched to a slow double handjob, where my friend realised what I was doing and quickly implemented that to her handjob: focusing on the tip an stroking his tip only and tightly to make him reach the edge sooo quick. He leaked again when I edged him with that technique. I ate that drop again. I started to make out with him for the first time and he just played along and she kinda loved it. Even called me beautiful IN FRONT OF HIS GF. After about 30 minutes of that, I then stroke his cock with my feet, which he apparently hated but he still edged and leaked like I was giving him a handjob 🤷‍♀️ I did that for 30 minutes too. Then came our pussies. Yeah… First her‘s of course. She slowly rode his cock and after maybe 3-4 mins he edged. Her pussy edged him I believe 3 times before we switched to mine. That was embarrassing. She slowly shoved his cock into my tight pussy while he was praising my ass as I lowered myself onto his cock. And his ride of ecstasy and agony began.

He edged so fucking fast. After maybe a minute even tho I moved so slow. We took longer and longer breaks but still, edged after under a minute every time. He begged „Please let me cum inside“ He started to loose his mind 🥴😵‍💫 We put on a condom on his leaky cock before and I played with the fantasy of ruining him into his condom. But she said no when I whispered it into her ear (while he was inside me btw). After about 10 edges with my pussy, we switched to my tits, the final stage. Her‘s are actually to small to give a proper titjob but mine are big enough that if I really squeeze them together, I can stroke a cock with my tits. Meanwhile she was making out with him, but he always looked down at my tits squeezing his leaky, edged cock. And then, after maybe 20 minutes it happened!!

He said he’s close and I gave him those 2-3 extra strokes with my tits that pushed him over the edge. I stopped… She looked at me, and I gave her that cheeky smile like: „It’s over for him…“ And it was. He didn’t say he was cumming but he moaned out so loud and the cum just slowly dripped out and down his cock, onto my tits. Perfection! Perfectly ruined! He screamed „No, no, no, you BITCH!“ And insulted me several times partially while his cum was still leaking out. Almost all his ruined cum was on my tits and what wasn’t belonged on my tits. So I took that cum and put it on my tits. My friend was so aroused by the view of my cum-covered tits. And well… He was sooo fucking horny, that I made him lick my tits clean! I didn’t let him suck them the whole time, but the possibility to do it now made him eat his own cum. He stayed hard and begged for a real release, but we said no and untied him. That was it. He still insulted me but I didn’t care. I ruined his orgasm. His frustration is limitless. Oh yeah, we first caged him while he was tied, but after a day or so she unlocked him and we said he would only get that threesome if we can ruin his cock, next time even twice. He said yes and well… it’s gonna happen again soon…

Thanks for reading 😚 Let me know what you guys think haha. Please don’t send requests, if you want to chat with me ask in the comments first, thank you 😚

First of all: Please don’t send DM requests, if you want to DM ask in the comments first, thank you 😚

So my friend and I (both 20) both have boyfriends and I love to ruin my BF‘s orgasms, especially after a lot of agonising edging. (and feed it to him too 🤭) I just love to drive men nuts with my hands, my mouth, my tits, pussy etc. (and my feet for my BF) and love to see the eventual frustration when they shoot their cum out helplessly into the air. Also I love that guys get even hornier for me after a ruin. That’s how I made my BF so obedient.

But she never tried it out on her BF. So I told her about how I ruin my BF and she asked me how it works and then I had the idea of maybe doing it myself with her. She agreed. He’s rather dominant and hates edging and I knew he would hate a ruin, so I told her what to do. And that’s what we did:

After some begging and pleasing him, she managed to tie him up, promising to ride his cock and make him cum inside her. But instead, she tied him up, called me while I just hid in her closet 🤭 I came out, fully naked. He INSTANTLY without any hesitation or shame looked right at my tight pussy. My friend saw that and just slapped his balls for that. He hated that… but couldn’t do anything!! He couldn’t move his eyes away from my naked body until I sat on his right leg, while she sat on his left one. He just lied there, looking at my tits, down to my pussy. And then we told him what’s gonna happen: „We’re going to edge you for as long as we want. You‘ll have to tell us when you’re close everytime. If you don’t, we’ll ruin your orgasm. If you make it til the end, you can cum in her (my) pussy!“ (With a condom on btw) We didn’t actually mean it, of course he wouldn’t cum inside my pussy. But we needed something to make him play with us. He agreed… But what he didn’t know…

…is that we planned to edge him for 6 hours!!! Yeah, 6 full hours. The fact that he just said yes to this offer, only because he wants to cum in MY pussy, not in hers, already was a reason to punish him, therefore ruin his orgasm. We had a build-up. We started just teasing him with slow licks along his shaft, from base to tip, taking turns. I put my naked feet up in the air and he looked at those soles constantly. I asked if he likes them and he nervously nodded hahah. By friend looked at him like: „WTF??“

He hated the teasing. We loved it! His 7 inch cock was throbbing so hard from every lick. After about 15 mins of that my friend started slowly stroking him for about 20 mins. I massaged his balls in the meantime with an occasional slap. Then he edged for the first time. His voice when he moaned, pure frustration 🥰 Then I gently wrapped my lips around the tip of his cock while my friend only stroke his shaft. He wanted me to suck so bad, but I didn’t. I just left him in my mouth, not doing anything. Then she stopped stroking after 10 mins and I gave him a „gentle“ introduction: I shoved his cock completely down my throat, deepthroating him for about 5 secs before pulling out. His moan was SO LOUD. When I pulled out, he said he’s damn close. He said it was heaven. So, I never did it again this evening. He begged for it the whole session. „Please, once more. Please!“ Well, unlucky him, i guess.

After that, the build-up was simple: We started sucking his cock, taking turns after every edge, taking a 60 secs break in-between. What was very interesting: He reached the edge A LOT faster when I sucked his cock. I took me always about 20 secs and even less with more edges. She sometimes needed even a full minute lol. He said he liked to be longer inside his GF‘s mouth that’s why he holds it longer. But her and I both knew, my mouth just felt better… After about two hours, he leaked a little (from my blowjob btw). I guess it already was his first ruin, but just one drop. I licked it up and savoured it. He said that we should never do that again, he hates ruins!!! I just smiled at her because we knew what was going to happen.

I need to keep this short so I‘ll quickly summarise the remaining 4 hours: We then switched to a slow double handjob, where my friend realised what I was doing and quickly implemented that to her handjob: focusing on the tip an stroking his tip only and tightly to make him reach the edge sooo quick. He leaked again when I edged him with that technique. I ate that drop again. I started to make out with him for the first time and he just played along and she kinda loved it. Even called me beautiful IN FRONT OF HIS GF. After about 30 minutes of that, I then stroke his cock with my feet, which he apparently hated but he still edged and leaked like I was giving him a handjob 🤷‍♀️ I did that for 30 minutes too. Then came our pussies. Yeah… First her‘s of course. She slowly rode his cock and after maybe 3-4 mins he edged. Her pussy edged him I believe 3 times before we switched to mine. That was embarrassing. She slowly shoved his cock into my tight pussy while he was praising my ass as I lowered myself onto his cock. And his ride of ecstasy and agony began.

He edged so fucking fast. After maybe a minute even tho I moved so slow. We took longer and longer breaks but still, edged after under a minute every time. He begged „Please let me cum inside“ He started to loose his mind 🥴😵‍💫 We put on a condom on his leaky cock before and I played with the fantasy of ruining him into his condom. But she said no when I whispered it into her ear (while he was inside me btw). After about 10 edges with my pussy, we switched to my tits, the final stage. Her‘s are actually to small to give a proper titjob but mine are big enough that if I really squeeze them together, I can stroke a cock with my tits. Meanwhile she was making out with him, but he always looked down at my tits squeezing his leaky, edged cock. And then, after maybe 20 minutes it happened!!

He said he’s close and I gave him those 2-3 extra strokes with my tits that pushed him over the edge. I stopped… She looked at me, and I gave her that cheeky smile like: „It’s over for him…“ And it was. He didn’t say he was cumming but he moaned out so loud and the cum just slowly dripped out and down his cock, onto my tits. Perfection! Perfectly ruined! He screamed „No, no, no, you BITCH!“ And insulted me several times partially while his cum was still leaking out. Almost all his ruined cum was on my tits and what wasn’t belonged on my tits. So I took that cum and put it on my tits. My friend was so aroused by the view of my cum-covered tits. And well… He was sooo fucking horny, that I made him lick my tits clean! I didn’t let him suck them the whole time, but the possibility to do it now made him eat his own cum. He stayed hard and begged for a real release, but we said no and untied him. That was it. He still insulted me but I didn’t care. I ruined his orgasm. His frustration is limitless. Oh yeah, we first caged him while he was tied, but after a day or so she unlocked him and we said he would only get that threesome if we can ruin his cock, next time even twice. He said yes and well… it’s gonna happen again soon…

Thanks for reading 😚 Let me know what you guys think haha

Tell me your cock size and if you’re cut or uncut and I’ll tell you how long you’ll still have to edge and not cum. And if you’re going to have a full orgasm or ruined orgasm. Mommy’s ruthless, so be careful and think about it. I will also accept dick pics in DMs with which I’ll decide your fate. I won’t send any pics myself so don’t ask. AND: Good boys might receive a JOI from me on Reddit today or another day 😏😚

My baby is really needy and horny but I’m definitely not planning on making him cum in any way tonight. Just tell me how to edge him (for example handjob, footjob, blowjob, titjob, pussyjob), how long to edge him and if you want leave him a little mean message in the comments or my DMs or even humiliating dick pics. Thanks 😚

I wanted to just edge him and have some fun with him, before eventually denying him. But after around 15 minutes, he just exploded… I ruined his orgasm and frustrated him but doesn’t he deserve that after cumming that quick? Well, I fed him his mess and put him in his cage lol.

Tell me how pathetic it is to cum that fast and tell me, how long can you guys last? How does it feel to edge or be edged? And should I punish him further?

How does it feel to be ruined or ruin yourself after a long edging session? I’m asking because I do it to my bf (I posted on here earlier today). I edge him for one or two hours and then just ruin his orgasm. I tried it myself but I really just wanna hear it from guys. How does it feel? You can be as detailed as possible, I love it all haha. Pls let me know!

My boyfriend cums pathetically fast, like he can only take about 60 seconds of a slow & soft blowjob from me and he cums. And don’t even ask about my pussy… So, I started edging him for sometimes far more than an hour, often denying him and if i let him “cum”, i ruin his orgasm. (and sometimes make him clean it up)

He always begs me to let him cum fully and after edging him into oblivion, he even asks me to ruin his orgasm. He almost cries every time I deny him after one or even two hours of edging, it’s soo fucking hot 🥵 But I want to enjoy him for more than fucking 60 seconds… (and maybe love to see and hear him suffer a little under my power)

Am I evil? I mean yeah definitely a bit. But doesn’t he deserve that treatment if he’s such a fucking prejac? Please be mean and humiliating to him in the comments hihi 😏

I’ve been giving my boyfriend only ruined orgasms since February, edging him for a week (1-2 hours each day) only to ruin his orgasms on Sundays and start the week edging cycle again (+ feeding him his ruined, salty load). I told him he’d get a full orgasm in June, on his birthday, but really I don’t want to stop this endless cycle of edging and ruining him. So you tell me, how much longer should I ruin him. For months? The rest of the year? Forever? Should I extend the daily edging sessions? Extend the time between his ruined orgasms? Should I ever give him full orgasms and if yes, to which occasion(s)? Birthday? Christmas? Tell me how cruel I should be. And please be a bit humiliating to him hihi. He has a big cock but cums ridiculously fast🤭🤭

My boyfriend and I have been together for almost four months now and the first two months we had boring quick sex, because he always came pretty fast. So, I slowly started edging his hard cock. I gradually went up in time, training him to hold it longer and driving him absolutely crazy😵‍💫 Now, I tease and edge him for an entire week until I finally bring him over the edge every sunday. I try to edge him every single evening for at least an hour and two hours on saturday. And then, I recently started to edge him for almost 3 hours on Sundays before just ruining his orgasm!😩😩 I edge him with a handjob, stroking his sensitive tip tightly, stopping and grabbing his base when he’s close. I circle my tongue around his tip, making him twitch. I edge him with my mouth, with the slowest suck ever to drive him absolutely crazy, stopping but keeping his cock in when he’s on the edge, but pulling out if needed. I edge him with my tits, giving him titjobs, rubbing his cock against my nipples or just slapping his dick against my tits.🥰 I edge him with my feet, since he loves them so much. And I never let him penetrate my pussy🤭 I only rub his tip against my pussy lips, that’s all. I drive him crazy and when I finally ruin his orgasm, his loads are soo ridiculously huge and thick. I ruin him onto his belly, onto my feet, my tits or sometimes let him shoot it all over my face or into my open mouth. I love to see his pain and frustration and how he stays horny after his ruined orgasm. His horniness just keeps building and building week for week and I edge him more and more. The last time he came fully and the last time he felt my pussy inside was both in February🤭 He’s so desperate and needy…