u/BigMoneyMartyr

So a couple hours ago I took some 7 tabs and chewed them up and let em sit under my tongue for 15 minutes before swallowing. I threw them up as soon as I swallowed due to hitting my vape too hard. I wasn’t worried about it because it all should have been dissolved under my tongue and in my bloodstream by that point, right?

Well, about an hour later, not only did I not feel a thing, but I actually went into mild withdrawal since my last dose was 28 hours ago. It was the same dose I usually take, from the same brand, even from the same bottle/batch as my last dose which kicked my ass the day before. I had to take another dose which worked within 10 minutes of swallowing

I don’t claim to be a chemist or pharmacologist but if sublingual works, it should have been absorbed into my system before I puked it up, right?

I would imagine certain factors like what form it’s in (salt vs freebase) would play a role, but I always take it the same way, chew it up and let it sit under my tongue for 10-15 minutes before swallowing, and this is the only time it didn’t work.

I’ve even experimented with adding a small bit of fumaric acid under my tongue with my 7 to convert it to a salt in case it was freebase and the results were inconclusive due to having a high tolerance

It makes me wonder if sublingual absorption is a myth, or if it only works for certain salts that are more water soluble and thus have an easier time crossing through the mucus membranes and into the bloodstream

Anyone smarter than me wanna weigh in?

Am I looking forward to being forced to go through withdrawal when I run out and can’t get any more? No, of course not.

Am I looking forward to no longer having legal access to something that reliably boosts my mood, energy and makes me better at my job, boosts my social skills, kills my anxiety/depression and makes me temporarily comfortable in my own skin? Of COURSE not

But am I also sick of CONSTANTLY being painfully constipated? Sitting on the toilet for 40 minutes at a time pushing with everything I’ve got, only to push out a few black, rock hard pebbles without any relief? Feeling like I’m giving birth to a pinecone? Feeling baseball sized chunks of weeks-old, compacted shit moving through my colon which feels like I’m being punched in the gut? Going to flush the toilet and seeing blood in the water? Trying every laxative, fiber supplement and stool softener under the sun and getting no relief? Of COURSE I’m sick of it

I’ve been keeping track. I started taking 7 in late February of 2025. I haven’t taken a truly satisfying shit since April 22nd of 2025, almost 16 full months since I’ve had a satisfying and healthy bowel movement. Not even exaggerating.

I miss having healthy bowel movements so badly that I’m genuinely excited to have no option but to quit taking 7. I’ve been taking kratom leaf for years and for some reason that’s never stopped me from having regular, healthy bowel movements, and from my experience with quitting 7 and going back to leaf several times, leaf gets rid of 95% of the 7 withdrawal and I only experience 2-3 days of very mild discomfort before going back to feeling totally normal

When I found out that 7, pseudo and emgee were being banned, I was actually relieved. Not because I don’t care for the people who actually need it, not because I think prohibition is a good thing, not because it’ll actually help anybody or do any good for anyone, but because I know it means I’ll get to take a satisfying shit again sometime soon.

I HATE the fact that it’s being banned, don’t get me wrong. But I’m so sick of being horribly, painfully constipated that I know it means something good is coming to my bowels soon.

Am I the only one who’s excited to start pooping again on a daily basis?

Honorable mention: who else is also excited to get to have erections, orgasms and/or sex again??

I’m not necessarily talking about blotters laid with an active substance, I just mean the actual tabs themselves, even if they’re blank.

Something about the perfectly proportioned rows of tiny, perfect little squares is so mesmerizing to me. There’s something so aesthetically pleasing about the perfect proportions, the perforations, the thousands of tiny squares covered in shiny ink and geometric artwork.

I collect blotter art and when I get a sheet that’s printed perfectly, where the art is perfectly centered in each tab is so satisfying. Especially when the tabs each have their own individual design/shape that’s perfectly centered in each little square. I like to rip up blank sheets, sometimes I’ll just tear off strips and different sized sheets and just play with them.

Maybe it’s just an association I’ve made since I love the substances that are laid on the paper, so I’ve learned to love the paper itself. But I think it’s more due to the geometry and symmetry of it. I think we as humans tend to be drawn towards things that are perfectly centered/geometric/symmetrical. Idk, maybe it’s just me

I wanna taper and quit, I’m sick of spending so much money and being hooked on this bullshit. My state recently banned it so I can’t order high quality, cheap powders online and I’m stuck buying sketchy tabs illegally from a local smokeshop that sells them under the counter. If I’m lucky I can find tabs for twelve cents/mg. I just wanna know how much I can reduce my dose without getting sick.

Ive been taking kratom leaf since 2016 and still do, but started taking 7 about 15 months ago. As of now I usually take “200-400mg” per dose (but I’m sure it’s actually a lot less given that it’s just shitty smoke shop tabs)

What’s the approximate minimum dose I can take without withdrawal? If I’m taking 200-400mg (supposedly) once or twice a day while still taking 6-15g of kratom leaf powder 2-4x a day, what’s the least amount I can take comfortably? Can I cut my dose down to as little as 25-50mg once a day? Just curious if anyone has any experience with this

And before anyone gives me shit, I’m aware of how ridiculous my tolerance is. I’ve been living with so much guilt and shame every day over it. I’m a “recovering” opiate addict (or was before I tried 7) so my body grows a ridiculously high tolerance much faster than most people. Even if the tabs I’m taking (dozo or summit brand 100mg tabs if anyone is familiar) are only 50% as strong as advertised, that would still be 100-200mg per dose, 1-3x a day, which is still crazy.

I’m a responsible, healthy and normal person in every other aspect of my life, but as soon as some molecule clicks into those opiate receptors, it becomes my master. Doesn’t matter how much willpower I have, I’ve become the human property of whatever it is that gives me that feeling. I hate it and I just want to be done. I have no problem continuing to take kratom leaf, as Kratom leaf compared to 7 is like the difference between caffeine vs c0cain3 (idk how much this sub is censored)

I just wanna know what the minimum dose I can take without having to miss work is. Thanks in advance for any feedback, try not to judge, I promise you I’ve already been beating myself up more than you ever could.

My usual spot ran out of 7 and all they had left were pseudo tabs, 20mg each

How potent is pseudo compared to 7? How much pseudo is equivalent to 100mg of 7?

As far as effects go, from what I’ve read it seems like pseudo is more sedating, but are the effects similar? Or does it feel like a completely different substance?

I’ve browsed this sub and others but couldn’t find any solid info

I can’t buy it online anymore, but some smoke shops near me still sell it. What I’ve been doing is taking a bunch of kratom leaf, which in itself helps with 90% of the withdrawal, but I still feel a little uncomfortable and am having cravings.

So what I’m doing is taking a double dose of leaf (18-20 grams) every 2-4 hours and chasing it with a huge cup of cold brew. The combination makes me so dizzy and shaky I can hardly get up and walk to the bathroom, let alone drive to a smoke shop. I actually fell over and had to hang onto the wall just to go pee.

So I guess I’m intentionally crippling myself so that I physically cannot leave the house to buy more.

Is it stupid? Probably. Is it dangerous? Probably. Does it work? Yes.

I do not recommend trying this unless you have absolutely no plans or obligations.