u/drippysoap

Here is a link to what I’ve found to be the most useful and comprehensive guide on withdrawing from opioids. Keep in mind that this was written when everything was just primarily a mu (μ) agonist. MP has kappa and mgm has delta opioid receptors involved so there isn’t as much info on dealing with that but this guide can help still. I see this question posted often, which it’s been pinned. You’re still welcome to ask for personalized advice, but I recommend reading this post first.

With the exception that many people have negative reactions to the anti-chloniergic properties of common antihistamines like Benadryl.

My advice would be to get onto 7ohm from MP or MGM first if possible then deal with the MOR withdrawal

Please add any info you think should be here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/opiates/s/xPiMvYu0ee

not medical advice ⚕️

Their sub greatly aligns with the scope of this sub so if you’re interested in replacements for kratom whether new or existing, natural or synthetic- should be a good place for discussion. If that’s something you’re interested in feel free to check it out

https://www.reddit.com/r/KratomAlternatives/s/e91II1J09g

There’s been “sippin syrup” kava and melatonin drinks being sold in actual cough syrup bottles for like 20 years. No one has a problem with “addall” “tweaker “ or “crank “ stimulants sold in gas stations.

Rhetorical question, I just think it’s funny there’s never been a problem with naming this stuff until recently they are grabbing at straws looking for any reason they can to ban something they don’t like.

What’s gonna happen with brands like “perks “ and “roxy” when they start selling straight mitragynine extracts? Is that going to be reason enough to ban it ?

I’ve tried posting to what I think would be extremely relevant subreddits, who would be on our side about the ban but without much luck.
Subs like r/opiates r/researchchemicals r/opioid_rcs but my posts either get removed or very little visibility.

I was wondering if anyone who is familiar with the nuances of creating a “successful “ Reddit post might be willing to try to post in other subs, that may not have heard about the ban. Even r/suboxone if you’ve had success using 7ohm to get thru suboxone withdrawals maybe you could share it there. Even the people who went to subs from 7oh will probably wish it was available when they go to get off of it lol.

Just haven’t seen many, if any posts about trying to stop the ban outside of 7 specific subreddits

Seeing how mgm-15 is likely getting banned soon I wanted to share my experience of withdrawing multiple times from this substance, often using the help of buprenorphine (bupe).

Please use the Reddit search for tips on WDing from opioids in general they will help tremendously with finding helper meds, supplements and such. There’s a lot of great info that could make a traumatic detox nearly painless. There’s basically nothing new I can say in that domain of general detoxing, but Mgm is unique in that it’s a dual agonist. This means it’s a mu agonist (MOR) like basically every other opioid, but it’s also a delta agonist (DOR) which means the detox will be somewhat harder (imo). It also lasts a lot longer than 7ohm (the effects and WD).

Ok so the way I’ve done it with the most success is to actually take the bupe before WDs get too bad. Yes this will cause precipitated withdrawals, but the key here is to save one medium- strong dose to get you out of withdrawal. Now you’ve induced the bupe so you can just continue taking it normally after this point. However you still have the DOR agonist to withdraw from. I found it was maybe only 20% of the total detox, but with distinct symptoms. First there’s a weird temperature regulation thing that consists of hot flashes and cold sweats. Ik that doesn’t sound too bad but it’s quite uncomfortable. Clonidine seems to work especially well for this.

Normally getting on subs, I just take a larger dose of my DOC to help me make it as long as I can to avoid pwds. But with this method i found it helpful to taper off before you quit to go thru as little DOR agonist WD as possible. Which I know can be hard to plan and complicated bc you’re saving a larger dose for after you induce the Bupe, and after you’ve tapered.

So this is kinda like an accelerated Burnese method but you go thru minor discomfort first and then you’re introducing bupe before your last dose.

My protocol was as such: Taper the mgm as much as possible but leave yourself like 1.5x your normal dose.
From the reports I’ve read it takes at least 24 hrs to get past PWD with mgm which is just too difficult with the extra skin crawly/restless leg when withdrawing from a high dose of this drug. Just wait as long as you can make it, but don’t suffer too much.
I waited til about the 20-22 hr mark and taking the bupe seemingly made the WD worse so I assume it was PWD. I then took 1.5x normal dose. This took away 100% of my WDs. And I was able to continue taking 16 mg of bupe for the next few days and then rapidly taper to my normal sustainable dose of 4 mg/ day.

So from 100mg/day I started my taper 50 mg one day. 20 mg the next day, Split into 2 doses- One in the AM and one in the evening. Started feeling the RLS symptoms around noon the next day. Stuck it out til 3pm. Took 8mg of bupe. 1.5 hrs later I felt the symptoms getting worse and took my last 40 mg dose of MGM . Next day I continued with an 8 mg dose of subs.

Major delta WD symptoms left were depression and lethargy but was back to about 80% myself by the 3rd day.

I’ll provide this link on attenuation of withdrawal symptoms but I promise there are enough posts on Reddit that you’ll be past the full blown WDs by the time you’re able to read thru all the posts about it lol. This is useful for the DOR stuff that won’t be covered by bupe initially (ime and at my dose, heck it coulda been placebo from expecting it but it did not feel like that )

https://www.reddit.com/r/opiates/s/tHHcZ0xRoX

Not medical advice just my experience! YMMV and id encourage you to check out similar experience reports before just taking my word for it.

Hi guys, just wanted to provide an update about the future of this subreddit.

My hope is that this can first become a place too discuss alternatives to MGM -15 and 7- OHM, and even advocate for the re-legalization of mgm. Technically it is only being placed in schedule I temporarily for 2 to 3 years, and will be up for review then. Meaning there is a possibility(however unlikely) that it would not be banned permanently.

As analogs become more available, this place is open to discuss bioassays and help each other find out which replacements are worrhwhile.

As those analogs become more popular and commercially available, I hope that we can discuss what to do differently this time from the mistakes we learned from with 7OH

Things like debating whether they should be available at gas stations, brick-and-mortar smoke shops or only online. Obviously the marketing of 7oh products came under a great deal of scrutiny by being named after pharmaceuticals or stigmatized street drugs.

What would really be great is if we could have discussions about encouraging vendors to be responsible, to set an example of high standards. To act like a legitimate business that plans on sticking around, not just a *vendor* that’s anticipating an “inevitable” ban trying to squeeze money of of a fad with a limited window of time. With a higher level of scrutiny means there needs to be a higher level of responsibility and accountability. The coalitions and lobbyists and activist groups should be built alongside the popularity and profit of any new products, and not just as an afterthought before it’s too late.

All of the things that 7 oh came under attack for, I think need to be discussed- How to avoid the same pitfalls and do better this time. We can ask these things as a community and with our dollars .

I apologize if this comes off as too much doom and gloom for the fact that 7 hasn’t even been banned yet. Hopefully it doesn’t and I can just delete this post. But like I said, I think we stand a better chance if we look ahead, and be proactive.

There is currently no rule about sources, since soon there may be nothing to source anyway. Once something becomes popular and available enough, we may have to go back to no sourcing. But hopefully at least be allowed to have a list of scammers and bad vendors.

I know there’s only like five of you in this Sub, but if you stick around, maybe we could even create a list of companies that are advocating and spending their profits on keeping future analogs legal. And if those companies should so happen to sell a similar product then that’s just an added benefit. Idk yet and that’s why I’m asking for you guys input.

TLDR when mgm gets banned what can we do to keep its replacements from suffering the same fate?

Comment to save 7oh

https://www.regulations.gov/docket/HHS-OASH-2026-0232/comments
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Only at 990 rn come on we gotta tighten up

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I’ve heard this on Reddit and podcasts. Does anyone know how this information was made public? And why more people aren’t recognizing this as the reason for the ban. And I mean before recently, when did the narrative change.

Interested to see if you guys have any thoughts on this.

One I’m surprised I haven’t seen yet is
7aco- mit

4fluro-7hydroxy mit ( this is what 7 oh is to mgm -15 as would be the precursor to mgm-16)
Which for some reason they banned MGM 16 and I’ve never heard of a single person using it.

I’ve heard whispers of coryoxone B don’t know much about it.

Then there’s deuterated compounds which is how pharma companies are claiming patents on existing molecules but have the same effect.

7 seems to be the magic position so maybe other esters such as 7pro-mit

Then there’s just other straight up RCs, tramadol and methadone analogs.

Pretty much the SR series is just starting lol.

I mean I guess the biggest problem is that 7ohm is a precursor for many analogs which could no longer be produced domestically, legally, at scale. So importation may drive prices up.

But ultimately I think the indole-opioid scaffold is a good one and many things can still come out of it. I’ve even heard that some substitutions can get psychedelic

So after being dependent on clonazepam for some years now and basically having every anxiolytic med thrown at me, I’m really impressed with clonidine. For one it actually helps with anxiety, as well as being mildly sedating. Which is basically all benzos do for me now. I used to get euphoria as a teenager but 15 yrs later it’s not so much.

I’m just not sure why it took so long to find this med. Obviously went thru ssris, snris, selective norepinephrine RIs, busbar which sucked , remeron which was OK but I gained like 20 pounds in a month. They got close with Guanfancine , testosterone, even adderall and vyvanse (for anxiety! Which helped for like 2 days then made things worse), bupropion, modafanil, hydroxyzine, thc, propranolol

But finally clonidine helped my anxiety I’d say just as much as a benzo.

Ketamine also helped but obv not the same thing. Then opioids for me were like the supreme anxiolytic and adhd med wrapped in to one lol.

As far as otc stuff valerian and kava helped but for a short period of time. I take an ashwaganda, magnesium, l-theanine supplement currently

Anyhow def not medical advice but seeing as how benzos are so hard to get nowadays I just wanted to shoutout this surprising gem that I didn’t think existed. So if your provider won’t do benzos clonidine is a close 2nd in my book and a few otc items may help in times of extreme stress.

I’ve kept a few of those meds being Rx’d but the clonazepam and clonidine are what actually let me me a normal functional person. Wish i could get modafanil again but oh well.

Stay safe!

It seems as though Reddit has been deleting MGM Subs for allowing sourcing. As I would like to keep this tiny community alive for discussion of MGM and similar subjects, a new no sourcing rule has been put in place for now.

basically the title. I want to use mgm and take breaks intermittently. I’ve seen multiple reports of people using regular full agonists (mostly surprisingly from years ago), getting pwds from
Bupe, then using their DOC to stop pwds. Then from being “inducted” to subs they can continue bupe regularly from then on out.

I kinda get why medical providers don’t say or recommend this bc I’m sure most people on bupe were coming off stuff that may be unsafe to dose again.
I’m just surprised if this works that it isn’t more well known

Not sure if this has been posted here before but :

https://www.reddit.com/r/opiates/s/MdiRnqC1pO