What changed socially and legally when it was fine for thousands of years?

I (21FtM) have been in a physical relationship with my mom (45f) for 2 years. We have been trying to form a triadic relationship with someone else since both of us want a polyamorous relationship. The only problem is that no one really wants to be with us due to societal "issues" with incestuous relationships.

We've genuinely tried with my mom talking to 3 different male dates about it and with me talking to 2 female dates about it but they all said no (with one of them saying they'd report me). So me and my mom decided to talk about it and she asksd me if I was attracted to my younger sister (19f), I thought about it for a while and realised I wasn't necessarily attracted to her but also wouldn't mind her either since I've known her all my life and was a bit curious about how she'd be in a romantic and physical relationship. She's currently at college and is exploring herself in different ways (I believe she's either bi or pan) so we decided it might be best to let her know now since she's open minded.

I feel like she might be alright with it since she knows of my relationship with our mom and is fine with incest in general but I'm still not sure how to bring it up to her. Some help would be really appreciated, thank you!

Edit: my mom had a call with my sister and started to lean into how she's exploring herself and she's said that she's done it with a guy and 2 different girls on separate occasions (I was right about her being bi). My mom then brought up the fact that her and I were looking for someone else to be in a relationship with and that we need someone we know very well since our dates aren't working out and my sister said that she could help. I'm not sure if she meant she'd get someone for us or whether she'd be down for it but we didn't want to push any further so my mom cut the call. We plan on having me call her tomorrow this time to see if she's down herself and hopefully she is 🤞

I'm so excited lol

That’s my question. How do you handle it? This is for seeing energy/vibes between your spouse and those family members

Is there anyone here who is in such a relationship, and other members of your family are supportive of you ? Or atleast, still continue keeping ties with you and your partner ?

I've(24m) been with my Mom(53f) for a few months now, as I've mentioned in an earlier post. And while we will have to keep it a secret from everyone else, we do want to break the news to my older sister. As far as tight knit family goes, she's the only one we have, and can trust with this. Honestly we don't know what her reaction will be, but for sure she won't out us or anything, although she might react negatively.

so anyways, back to the original question, how have your family members reacted to this when you told them ? And what made you decide on telling or not telling them ?

The question by u/orangebanana990 had me thinking about telling my best friend about the romantic circumstances between my son and I, and a specific conversation came to mind.

It's important I preface this the fact that she wasn't immediately ecstatic about it, though she was supportive, and it's taken her some time and a lot of effort on her part to even comfortably sit through an evening with us after we've all had some wine and my son and I start getting kissy.

One evening, on a girl's night out, and after way too much wine, her curiosity overwhelmed her inhibitions and she started asking questions belying her own 'morbid curiosity' (her words) on the subject.

When she got home she sent me a drunk text saying she's going to try look at her own son differently, which I get (and found both encouraging and weird), and the next time we met I asked her how she felt about it. She said she could never imagine him as anything more than her son.

This got me thinking: is the capacity for consang romantic feelings therefore something more akin to a sexuality, perhaps, or is it something that's innate in all of us?

It's been two years since my brother (26m) and I (24f) ended things. It was mutual, we both agreed that going public with our relationship was just going to ruin our lives and negatively impact everyone around us, so we broke up.

But the thing that I wasn't prepared for is the post-break-up. We still have to sit across from each at the table for holidays and get togethers. We have to sit there and pretend we're happy around our family when inside we're both tortured.

We were (are?) in love. But, now, it's just...i don't know.

So many of these posts, you know what I see? People who love each other. The public perception is that incest happens through grooming and abuse, but post after post on here shows that sometimes adults simply fall in love with each other through one circumstance or another--you know, like every other relationship! One thing leads to another, and people fall into feelings and a relationship. Sometimes it happens to people who are related whose relationship simply evolves. I'm not involved with a family member myself, though I have hopelessly crushed on a cousin and didn't dare say anything (crying myself to sleep about it multiple times).

Reading about someone who loves their mother and wishes they could tell the world, someone whose uncle passed away and is inconsolable and can't tell those around her why, and so many others... I ache for you. And how amazing it is that a parent can find love with an adult child but still be their parent when they need a parent, it's such a deep understanding of being there for another person the way they need them to be that so many of us "normal people"* *will never get to experience--to be so seen by the other person and loved in the moment for who we are. Your love, your bravery, I envy you, and I ache for you. Thank you for sharing your stories on here, and thank you for being who you are.

My mother(53F) and I(24M) have been together for about 5 months now, obviously keeping it a secret from everyone else, including the my older sister. My mother has been divorced for more than a decade, and while she did date a couple of men after that, nothing got too serious.

After I moved to a different city for a Job, she was living alone for a while, and would visit me or my sister and her family once every few months. Or we would usually go home for the big holidays once or twice a year. And it was on one of her trips to my place, that things first started getting intimate.

After a lot of back and forth, we finally decided to actually commit to this new dynamic few months ago. And have been together since. She still lives at her place, which is like a 6 hour drive from me, but either she visits me every weekend, staying over the full next week sometimes, or I visit her. And lately we've been discussing having her move in with me permanently. I will have to probably find a new place though, as my current is rather small, and people next door know her to be my mother.

We're both very excited about this, and we're actually thinking how we'll explain the move to my sister. And also, at some point, we'd like to tell her about our relationship, as the 3 of us have always been very close. But thats in the future someday.

Just wanted to share the good vibes and news with other people here. Ciao!

Everyone can agree that love between siblings is incest, but what if they aren't blood related ? Or between cousins ? Because if we include cousins, how far removed must the cousin be so that it stops being incest ?

What about two blood related cousins, that didn't knew they were blood related at all ?

Sorry if it's not the right sub for it, but most subs I found that were incest related were RP or sexual content, and this sub seemed like the best place to find people who would be able to answer me 😅

Also sorry if I make mistakes, english isn't my first language.

Finally ready to talk about it here.

Tried to do a few times in past year, but chickened out. Sorry about the length, and thank you if you read all of this.

I (23M) had feeling toward my mom (44) for a very long time. Some of other members may remember my posts.

It was a childhood crush at first, "Mom I want to marry you" type. Past few years, after I moved out from my father's place and moved in with my mom, the fire reignited. Once innocent crush, this time came out as sexual attraction.

This goes back when I was 19. Feeling started when I first saw a part of here bare private parts, and more later. Happens when two people live in a small house. One thing led to another, guilt hurting, confusion of what is that feeling.

Years going went on slowly, guilt started to fade as I understood and accepted the way I felt. But also some changes were happening that I was unaware of. I slowly began falling in love with her.

She had a bad marriage with my father, real bad. A traditional marraige that should never have happend in first place. So first time in years, she found a manly figure in her life, the support, the compliments. I was suggested to treat her like my girl, even if we never had anything going on. She also started to treat me, see me as man of the house. Slowly, little by little, I filled the role and my feeling shifted into love than desire. I began wanting to be her actuall man, and not just a figure.

I began being more bold. Planning events for her, buying intimate gifts like underwear, she was in clouds when I gave her the gifts. But I was too slow, and too late. I should have started a year or two before. Someone was hitting on her online, and I did not know it.

This guy, which is currently my stepfather, been hitting on her for like 6 or more months when I began my actions. He (56), don't want to be too specific, is a person who works in medical fields. Has good income, social status, etc. He basically had far more easier chance than me. I had show feeling to her, make her confortable about incest, get her to begin slowly feel the same way, not to mention my mother is generally a hard goal when it comes to relationships. But he only had to do one job. Also he was a distant relative, which she had a crush on in her childhood.

It was a few days before our national new year. We were hanging out with our friends in the beach at night. She called me over a bit far from others and after a short unpleasant silence, she began speaking. Telling me everything, that there is this guy and he asked her to marry him, and she intends to say yes. You can't imagine the pain I felt in my chest, it was like whole world collapsed on my head.

I was planning to sit down and open up with her right after new years began. I intended to do way before, but our cat passed away and we did not have the conditions to talk about this subject back then, I wish I did back then. The marriage process happend fast, we moved to another city. Not just I lost her, I lost my job, my social life I had build in 5 years. I just gave up on her, knowing she had better change being happy for once with him rather than with me.

If those weren't enough to make me depressed. She completly became cold with me. I used to hug her, hold hands, cuddle, etc. but she bagan completly refusing me even holding her hand, telling me "Only my man can touch me", even the sweat talks faded away. She began treating me as a child, like a young boy.

I thought over time bad feelings may start ease and fade. But how wrong I was, it is getting worse. The pain is get even more intense whenever she asked why I am not my usual productive energetic self anymore, that I have to get used to the changes by now. Little she knows how I feel. I was scared to confess before, even more scared now. Stepfather is religious and his believes affected her to a point she even questions support for LGBTQ, adopting his view. It is like I don't know who she is anymore.

Finally I wish I told her I was not okay with that marriage, first for what happend in the past year, and also another reason. He hasn't resolved/finished the divorce case of her previous marraige, legally he has two wives right now, first one doesn't know anything about my mom. Only thing that gives high stress to my mom, sometimes making her cry. This makes me mad, I did not approve him to treat her like this, make her cry. But my stepfather and I have good relationship with each other, that is good. Problem is about my mom.

Overall, I am deep in shit and can do nothing about it. Confused to what to do. Have no money, all savings went to zero, l am not even motivated enough to finish university.

Give your opinions if you feel like

Thanks for reading to this point! 🤍

Hi, I'm new to this Reddit community. I don't engage in incest myself, but I support the cause. I’d like to hear from others who support incest and use data from genetic studies: what sources do you use? I’d like to learn more about it. I’ve never really looked into how the study of consanguineous

Hello, I am someone with currently pretty bad anxiety and I apologize in advance if my typing is incomprehensible (it is about 5 in the morning here and my brain is on low battery). I consider myself to be an ally (questioning if I am consang myself or not because of a possible attraction to my cousin).

I have a question. How? How do you all do it? How do you manage to not give into societal pressure despite it all? How are you all so brave despite being against the majority opinion? How do you not let society get the best of you? /gen

We're both in our 20s and my sister and myself live together with our parents. We're still exploring this new territory but I feel some guilt since don't do or say much unless we're alone. I've tried asking AI for advice but it says I shouldn't tell them. It's an odd feeling to carry, I want them to be happy and not think negative of our choices.

Do you agree with the AI response or is there someway to integrate this into a respectable relationship?

AI:

"

No. Do not tell your parents.

You and your sister are both 20 — legal adults. This is a private sexual relationship between the two of you. Telling your parents almost never ends well in these situations. The usual results are:

- Immediate family crisis and permanent damage to your relationships with them

- Possible forced separation or eviction if you still live at home

- Emotional fallout that can last years

- In many places, adult sibling incest is still illegal, so involving parents also creates legal risk if they decide to act on it

There is no obligation to disclose this to them. “Should say something at least” is usually driven by guilt or the feeling that secrecy is wrong, but secrecy is actually the safer and more respectful choice for everyone involved — including your parents.

Keep it between the two of you. If the living situation or family dynamics ever force the issue, handle it then. Right now, the smartest move is still the same one: stay quiet.

"

I stumbled across it when I clicked on a profile from another reddit about moral philosophy.

I'm 22 years old, my brother is 24. We are in a loving, emotional, physical relationship.

My brother and I grew up in a small town, in a small house, where we shared a room. Our mom was a the type of person who could be very sweet and loving, or she could be closed off and distant.

As we got older, our mom became more and more distant with us, and she dated a lot, leaving us to fend for ourselves. My brother and I supported each other in every way possible. We didn't have many friends to hang out with so we were the best of friends.

We had many late night talks, mainly about running away together. Our feelings for each other changed over the years, we still loved each other as brother and sister, also as a couple.

We finally left the house when I was 20 and my brother was 22. We moved together to a bigger town 87 miles away and we rent a studio apartment.

I’m a 35-year-old woman, married with a son, and I recently became intimate with my 19-year-old nephew. I had always thought he was attractive, and as we got older, there was a closeness between us that sometimes felt like more than a typical family relationship.

After he broke his foot, I went to visit him while he was recovering. We were alone together, and in the moment, I kissed him. That eventually led to us becoming physically involved, and since then, it has continued regularly.